[00:00:00.760] - Ursula
Hello and welcome to The Big Life Pivot. You might notice that in this episode you don't see me on screen. If you're listening on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, obviously that won't make any difference to you at all, but if you're watching on YouTube, you might just be wondering where I've gone. Well, this episode is a small example of imperfect action in action. I didn't get the technical setup correct, so so actually you're going to see all of my guest and none of me, but the conversation was too interesting and too valuable to hold back just because I wasn't in the video. So I hope you enjoy the episode, and if you do, please like, subscribe, and share The Big Life Pivot with someone who might be navigating their own life change, be that big or small. Today I'm welcoming Jac to The Big Life Pivot. Welcome, Jac. Um, Jac was a very amazing yoga teacher for me, [00:01:00.810] and I was one of her mini yoginis in her class. And, um, I just think she's a wonderful human being with a wonderful story. And so I'm so pleased that you've, you've said yes to coming on today and, um, and having a conversation about your journey.
[00:01:17.070] - Ursula
Um, through life and, uh, and reinvention and change. So, uh, welcome.
[00:01:24.460] - Jac Godfrey
Thank you, Ursula. It's lovely to be here. And, um, yeah, very excited for this podcast and see where it goes, your lovely journey too. So thank you for having me.
[00:01:35.560] - Ursula
Oh, well, thank you very much. And, um, I always like just to start by asking who I'm with to introduce yourself in your own words, but, you know, really sort of telling us about you, the you right now, um, if you would.
[00:01:51.360] - Jac Godfrey
Me right now, getting on in years, um, I live in rural Essex with my husband, two doggies. That's quite important to us. We love the countryside, we love being out in nature. My job, um, for the last almost 20 years, but not full-time, has been yoga teacher. And that's a huge part of my everyday. So, um, that's what I do. But that might not look to you, um, how my everyday looks. I don't teach very many classes anymore. It's more, um, trainings, um, and like this. I record a lot as well. So yeah, my, my everydays are very nice. I love cooking and travelling.
[00:02:48.140] - Ursula
Yeah, wonderful, wonderful. Well, I look forward to hearing even more about it as we go through this, um, uh, this conversation. So, you know, kind of winding things back to, you know, today, obviously we're, you know, on this programme, we're talking about how our life pivots and changes and evolves. So I just want to kind of get a an idea from you about what life was like before things changed for you.
[00:03:14.600] - Jac Godfrey
Okay, yes. So, um, there's two aspects to it really. So the first change was when I discovered yoga and went to a class initially, which was after my daughter was born, and she's going to be 26 this February, so that gives you an idea. And I was a lawyer, I was a full-time lawyer in those days and, you know, had been since my early 20s. So life was very busy then. So the pivot really at that point was suddenly discovering this way to kind of slip out of the stresses of life while still being very much engaged in one's profession and family life. So that, I was still a lawyer, that wasn't the sort of job pivot. And then [00:04:15.480] 7 or 8 years on from that, after I'd been teaching, um, some - oh, I went to India as well to train as a yoga teacher. That was arising out of that original pivot. And that in and of itself was a near miracle in many ways, bearing in mind I had a full-time job and a child. But the universe, you know, opened up, um, and everybody supported me in doing that. So when I returned as a qualified yoga teacher, I continued my job in the legal profession, and I set up a few yoga classes locally - well, actually only one.
[00:04:55.670] - Jac Godfrey
So I didn't have time to do anything else, but it was my love. And, you know, I just enjoyed slipping out of my suit on a Tuesday evening and putting on my yoga clothes and was absolutely amazed that people wanted to come. It was incredible.
[00:05:15.370] - Ursula
How did it feel to do that?
[00:05:19.060] - Jac Godfrey
I had to just, I think I had to just pick it up and run with it, because if I hadn't at that point started as soon as I got back, that there's a real comfort in procrastination, isn't there? And you can just put something off and put it off. So it felt scary, um, at the time, um, you know. And it, yeah, but what has always made this path worthwhile are the people that find, um, comfort in it, guidance, wellness. And they're what keep you going, I think, when when things are hard. So yeah, there's, um, what does that mean to you then when you find people that find a comfort and wisdom and, um, well, from it, it just reminds me that I'm part of something far greater. I try to, you know, long ago gave up trying to personalise [00:06:20.000] it. You know, that's a very big part of yoga anyway, is, you know, it's not about you, you're rather more a channel. So, um, just for me seeing that, yeah, that the process works and that we always want to know what we're doing is worthwhile, don't we? Whatever we're doing. So it's important validating, I guess, but in those early days that's quite important.
[00:06:51.360] - Jac Godfrey
Um, but I didn't really Yeah, I did. I was, I carried on in the law for, um, it was about 7 or 8 years. So I was doing both. There was this sort of overlap between the two timelines, uh, then. And then what
[00:07:07.630] - Ursula
and what was it about the, you know, you went to a yoga class and then obviously it triggered something in you and woke something up in you that meant you went off and, despite being a very busy, you know, busy person and a new mum, went off and trained as yoga teacher. So what, what was it that you were noticing about, you know, the legal profession and the draw of yoga? You know, was it something in there didn't feel quite right, or is it just something that you felt, this is it, I found the thing? What was going on? What was going on for you there?
[00:07:42.830] - Jac Godfrey
Well, I mean, one thing I would like to say in all of this is I never disliked the legal profession. I loved it, right? A very vibrant, exciting - I was in litigation and I enjoyed it. I just enjoyed that job. And it was, so what it was, what yoga wasn't, was an escape from it. I think what it was initially was a real, it was, wow, you know, my painful neck has gone from sitting from 7 hours at a desk. And gosh, you know, my hips don't hurt anymore from sitting all that time. And I'm just, I feel so much more fluid. And I notice how that has had a knock-on effect. And then as I got more into it, because I'm an avid reader, I like to study something once I, you know, understand that there's a deeper path. I read [00:08:44.110] you know, some of the.. Started to read some of the yoga texts, which, so the Bhagavad Gita, for example, which is in essence a guide on how to live amidst the chaos of life. And these had a profound effect on me. And I think how it helped is that It totally transformed my relationship to mind because most of us are caught up in our mind a lot of the time.
[00:09:20.190] - Jac Godfrey
And then I thought, actually, wow, I don't have to be my thoughts. I don't have to be at their mercy. And of course, we go in and out of that all the time. But yeah, I think that's the main thing. The physical health and also mental health helped immensely. Mm-hmm.
[00:09:42.170] - Ursula
That's so interesting. So what was it then that, you know, took you on that journey away from a profession that you loved and more into this new world of yoga? Tell me about that kind of transition, if you like. It wasn't so much - I mean, I think that's the thing about pivots. Pivot kind of gives us this feeling it sort of happens in an instant.
[00:10:03.000] - Jac Godfrey
Yeah.
[00:10:03.470] - Ursula
And it flips from one thing to the other, but actually it's more of a kind of slow slow transition perhaps into something new. I'd love to hear about that.
[00:10:11.970] - Jac Godfrey
Yes, so quite, and it certainly, um, wasn't something that was easy. It wasn't easy. So I began in, in, when I began in the legal profession I would say that the predominant thing initially was client care, that beautiful relationship where you're responsible for someone and you can spend the time on them, etc. And over the course of my time in the profession, we're saying, you know, by then, I don't know, 10, 12 years or more, um, many law firms were becoming companies, and whereas we'd just been law firms run by lawyers, all the partners were responsible, [00:11:12.590] suddenly many law firms had a CEO. What even was that back then? We didn't, you know, we didn't know what that was, and who were not lawyers, and it became almost it very much detracted from the top-down, from the, for me, the humanity of the situation. I mean, it's all, you know, let's face it, any profession is about being financially viable, has to be, otherwise none of us can survive. But, and that had a profound effect on my enjoyment, because I've always enjoyed the substantive work, which is the client work. But when it, you know, comes down to KPIs, and, you know, I'm sure this will mean something to a lot of your listeners, and so on and so on, I felt like my heart had been ripped out and the heart was being ripped out of the profession.
[00:12:14.340] - Jac Godfrey
And I had a sort of mini breakdown, really, in in that I knew, and it was that, but also I had a huge feeling that yoga was bigger and that I was being called to do that. So it was almost like something, huge obstacles being thrown in my path in the form of this, to get on with the thing I was probably meant to be doing. Um, I will add that it, you know, it, because I love the profession and had put so much, um, study into becoming a solicitor and, you know, worked my way up, um, I actually went to counselling. I sought it because I couldn't understand it. I thought, why on earth, you know, would I want to leave? And all my, you know, no colleagues knew [00:13:16.300] And there wasn't anybody that I could look to in either social media, which was less then anyway, or even the media, or even my circles who had ever done it, who had ever jumped out of the legal profession and become a full-time yoga teacher. So it was like, okay, Jack, you're going mad. You better go and, you know, really talk this through with somebody to sort of get to the bottom of it.
[00:13:43.850] - Jac Godfrey
And I did. And yeah, so that was a very important part of the journey because I, I'm not sure that I would have had the guts to do it without that.
[00:13:56.590] - Ursula
And so that was a key support for you.
[00:13:59.090] - Jac Godfrey
Yeah, it was incredible. Thinking it all through this way. Yeah.
[00:14:03.740] - Ursula
So what did it feel like to be in that place of shift where you said about you felt like the heart was being ripped out of your profession? I'm also actually keen to understand that a lot of people I talk to talk about this sense of the work becoming unsustainable. It was like the expectations were so big, it's sort of impossible to keep going at that level. I just wondered if that, you know, that resonates with you at all as well.
[00:14:29.150] - Jac Godfrey
Yes, it does, and that resonates in two ways with me. One, the enhanced requirement of - it wasn't the word load so much, I think it's the, you know, the amount of money that we were required to bring in, which, you know, in and of itself is, you know, a lot of money. You know, these are law firms, aren't they? And secondarily, actually, of course, because as I told you, I'd been a litigator, which means that I was the sort of lawyer that went to court. It was controversial, you know, adverse adversarial. But towards the end of my time in the profession, I'd come away from that. I'd actually become, I was still working with the same law firm, but I was a family law mediator, because even at that point in the transition, I'd recognised that, you know, being adversarial certainly just [00:15:29.600] I thought was again just not good for people. It, it's it's a very souless thing, you know, uh, family litigation in many ways, and don't seem to be any winners. Um, so yeah, so that was unsustainable, that continued sort of, um, pretence that you want to be a part of a machine that actually you really do not anymore.
[00:16:03.160] - Jac Godfrey
So yeah.
[00:16:04.350] - Ursula
Yeah, interesting. So what did it feel like? You, you know, you sought out some support, you're talking it out. What did it feel like to be in that shift then as you're starting to kind of go deeper into it and, you know, have more insights around it?
[00:16:20.800] - Jac Godfrey
Yeah, well, I remember before I went to see the lady for the first time, and, and I, I'd actually written down a list, just really a sort of flow of everything that was causing me pain about my profession, about the job, the situation. And I remember on the first session, so she had this and she said, okay, so we're going to fast forward and I'd like you to tell me what the absolute opposite of that will feel like for you. And honestly, it was such a hard thing at that first meeting, because sometimes when you're stuck in the middle of something, you can't quite see the way through. Um, you know, you, you can hardly dare imagine that things could be, um, so much better. But, you know, within [00:17:20.820] a very short time, I've forgotten how many times I saw her, this was way before COVID so I was travelling into West London, um, from, uh, the from this area, the Saffron Walden area, to do that. But it meant the world, and I just wouldn't be here now if it weren't for that. Um, the process was very illuminating, um, and I think what's really important with something of that nature is to, you know, is to really find the right person, because this woman was so incisive, insightful, um, Machiavellian in the way she'd like burrow under things that I said and dig them out.
[00:18:07.900] - Jac Godfrey
She's brilliant. And I needed that because, you know, it wasn't a there-there type of therapy I was after.
[00:18:17.050] - Ursula
She sounds like she's got some coaching, a kind of coach as well, element to her.
[00:18:21.140] - Jac Godfrey
Oh yeah.
[00:18:21.380] - Ursula
And you didn't vision where you were going in the future. And yeah, really kind of examining, getting under perhaps some of the beliefs that are keeping you stuck and, and helping you shift to some stuff, some beliefs that might be more helpful, and new perspectives that may be more helpful to you as well.
[00:18:37.850] - Jac Godfrey
I'm sure. Yes, yeah, yeah.
[00:18:40.880] - Ursula
So, so you've got this kind of linchpin of a person that you're talking it out with, and you know, what else was happening in that transition? What other, you know, mindset shifts did you notice? You know, the support, the people around you, or lack of support? What What habits did you need to kind of change? Talk to us a bit more about the bigger picture of that as well.
[00:19:01.080] - Jac Godfrey
Yeah, that's an interesting one. So my husband is brilliant. So he's - obviously I was talking this through with him and everything done, you know, with his guidance and blessing as well, because, you know, it's quite a big decision, isn't it, for one of you to decide to you know, quit a profession that you've been in for a long time, and it's, you know, it's bringing in, you know, a good portion of your household income. So mind shift, I guess, actually a lot of it was the shifting was this gradual movement from I don't know how to Actually, many things are possible. Um, and the one thing that, um, stood [00:20:01.390] out to me is I have a daughter, as I've mentioned, and she was a lot younger then. Um, was, well, if your daughter were so deeply unhappy in a situation like this and, um, there were an alternative, what would you tell her to do? What would you advise her to do? And it's just, oh my gosh, you know, that then changed everything because I thought, of course, absolutely, sort of parent yourself and get on with it. Um, I was having, however, to bide my time at work, so I had every zipped because although I was I was really starting to feather this nest of moving on, yet I couldn't tell anybody.
[00:20:48.770] - Jac Godfrey
So that was quite excruciating.
[00:20:51.580] - Ursula
Yeah, I bet, because you're kind of carrying this new you that you're about to step into, or, you know, making plans for, and yet you've still got to look like the old you on the outside still.
[00:21:02.530] - Jac Godfrey
Exactly. Which is exhausting, to be honest. It's very tiring to keep up that level of, you know, enthusiasm and, um, what's tense, isn't it? Let's face it, really.
[00:21:15.460] - Ursula
What was driving that then? Was it just you needed to be sure that you were going to make the leap, or there was a certain kind of timing towards this, a project or something that you needed to see through?
[00:21:26.220] - Jac Godfrey
Um, yeah, what's going on there? Yes, that's a good question. I think that I needed, uh, to be 100% sure because, um, you know, it just seemed so big. And of course, in reality, I could have gone and got further jobs in the legal profession. I'd say from start to finish, that process of counselling was probably only 8 weeks, which I don't think is that long in the context of a career in the law, which was nearly 20 years. You know, it felt an appropriate amount of consideration to give to something that meant so much to me.
[00:22:10.100] - Ursula
You know, it sounds quite speedy actually. You know, sometimes you can take a lot longer than that as well, you know.
[00:22:15.880] - Jac Godfrey
Yeah, I mean, obviously to get to the counselling stage, even in it in and of itself, there was a lot going on before that. It, um, yes, but, and then even the process itself of letting people know that I wasn't going to continue is it actually was met with incredulity. Nobody, literally nobody, saw it coming. It was as if they'd been... Because I've recently been promoted, I got on with everybody, and it, it just felt like I was hurting people I cared about, you know. It was hard. Yeah, yeah. Or deserting, not a sinking ship because they're thriving company, but, you know, just
[00:23:03.390] - Ursula
How did it feel to do that? And was there anybody, was there anybody that, you know, kind of backed you, or was everybody disappointed? How did...
[00:23:10.200] - Jac Godfrey
yeah, um, I wouldn't say anyone was disappointed. Probably my boss, who'd been the person that I had really got on with when he'd sort of invited me to join the company in the first place. It was a sort of which have been sort of adversaries from different law firms in the past. He was the one that was the most, I think, hurt by it. And I would say incredulous, because even now, you know, he's just one of the best lawyers I've ever known. And he - you can't extricate him from that any more than you can extricate me from the world of yoga. So for him, it was like, what, what, are you mad? Sort of thing. Oh, she must be having a life crisis kind of thing. Everybody else, you know, ranged from mildly interested to very supportive. It depends how close I was to them. [00:24:10.620] You know, some of my colleagues have even been on my yoga retreats since I left the law. You know, I've kept in touch.
[00:24:16.710] - Ursula
Thats amazing.
[00:24:18.380] - Jac Godfrey
They're not strangers. Um, great. Yeah.
[00:24:24.330] - Ursula
So you've made the decision, you've told everybody. And you're now stepping out into building this new world for yourself. You know, was there a moment when you thought, oh, I don't know if this is going to work, or... at that point, were you completely focused on this is going to work? What did that feel like?
[00:24:44.800] - Jac Godfrey
It sort of oscillates between them, really. I mean, you know, the hope is always going to work, of course. I am really, really lucky in that, you know, my husband, my partner is, he's very sort of calming. So, um, you know, at times when I thought, this is crazy, he said, you know, just actually relax into it. Because when I first started, um, I would spend nearly 8 hours of my day, like 8 chargeable hours, like you do as a lawyer. Doing something at the computer towards this business, which of course, you know, you do need to do a lot. I think I've always been grateful really for any work, certainly at the beginning. I mean, things have changed now. It's not that I'm ungrateful for any work, it's just I've had to refine and sort of thin out what I do. But in the early days, [00:25:44.930] I was having quite a lot of fun, you know, seeing what works well, it was predominantly classes, so I was working for some other yoga studios before I opened my own. And, you know, and just enjoying meeting lots of people. Um, you know, it was really, uh, you know, I was quite a bit younger then, so I had more energy to, uh, to travel around doing those things.
[00:26:11.620] - Jac Godfrey
Um, so yeah, it was all good basically.
[00:26:16.670] - Ursula
Yeah, it sounds like it was the universe giving you some things to kind of help you along your way when you look back on it. So tell me, you know, from the place you're at now, what does, what does life look and feel like now as you reflect on that, that journey that you've been on?
[00:26:35.630] - Jac Godfrey
Well, um, different than I could have ever imagined, um, you know, in those younger years as a lawyer, and as a lawyer that wanted to transition to, to the yoga profession. Um, well, now I tend to focus predominantly on, uh, well, teacher training, yoga teacher training. So longer, more in-depth, um, offerings. I run yoga retreats, so a lot of my time is, you know, huge amounts of my time spent say researching venues and liaising with those. You know, we're going to Bali in April and then Sri Lanka the year after. We were in India at the beginning of this year. So it's very colourful compared with, you know, having been in the legal profession, which I said, as I loved [00:27:35.820] that as well. A huge amount of backend work is required for the job. Don't let me, uh, give you the wrong impression. You know, there are spreadsheets, there's, you know, a lot of really boring stuff, and accounting, bookkeeping, you know, all the stuff you have to do to keep on top. Marketing. Um, yeah, I think anyone in, if you are a small business, you're going to have you know, all of those things to do.
[00:28:12.130] - Jac Godfrey
You learn a lot of skills pretty quickly, basically on the job.
[00:28:16.930] - Ursula
Um, yeah, because you've got to be everything. You've got to be your own finance manager, marketing manager, and do the delivery, client liaison, operations, the whole caboodle.
[00:28:28.000] - Jac Godfrey
Yeah, exactly. Um, so, you know, that actually is a, a small part of it. When I say small, I mean in terms of the chunk of time that one actually spends with all these wonderful individuals. It's a lot less than you think compared with, you know, the back-end stuff, you know, at this sort of end that I'm doing it now with the teacher trainings, because it's a lot of time, you know, spent in writing materials and researching. It's all good fun, but again, it's totally different from my early years when I first left the legal profession of all my time was spent in teaching classes, and it's definitely not like that now. Although I do teach some.
[00:29:17.030] - Ursula
How do you feel about that? Does that work for you? Do you like the variety of having all those different elements?
[00:29:22.580] - Jac Godfrey
I do, because I don't have, um, I, I now, um, having done all of that, I enjoyed that and it was right for me at the time, teaching many, many classes. And I guess that's how I've been very, very fortunate to build up a little community and tribe that makes running retreats possible because people want to come on them, etc. Um, and now I like to dive into deep stuff rather than just doing lots of, you know, less deep stuff more frequently, if you know what I mean.
[00:30:01.690] - Ursula
So yes, that's interesting. So you've kind of gone you know, rather than kind of broad and shallow, you've gone narrower and deeper sort of thing. Yeah, I'm hearing. Yeah, lovely. So, how would you define happiness and success today? And, you know, because, you know, your version of happiness and success is possibly different, you know, when you, when you were younger and then in the legal profession, and you kind of redefined your whole life. or certain big chunks of your life. How would you define happiness and success for yourself today?
[00:30:40.180] - Jac Godfrey
Well, I, I think it's got to come down to the health of myself and my loved ones first and foremost, and their well-being and those around me. Um, success, You know, I love freedom. I, you know, I think that's one of the reasons the legal profession felt quite constricted. So I adore the freedom. And, you know, don't get me wrong, it's not easy to necessarily have to be the, the person that thinks of what you're doing every day and plans. And, um, but, um, yeah, freedom to to create and etc., to be able to enjoy our home, the surroundings, to travel, to be able to give back as well. We, [00:31:41.050] you know, I like to, um, do that where possible.
[00:31:46.320] - Ursula
So yeah, it sounds very sort of rounded. It feels like to me is what I'm hearing.
[00:31:51.790] - Jac Godfrey
It's like Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:31:54.660] - Ursula
Lots of elements to it that together make it..
[00:31:57.960] - Jac Godfrey
it is, um, I think, I think it all comes from feeling quite grounded, um, you know, not, not wanting to project too far into the future either, because, you know, we've got to enjoy the present and what's there. I think, I think that's a definite thing to um, no. And also, actually, you know, some things you ask about success I mean, it's lots of things that you try, or I've tried, that you end up not following through with because the timing wasn't right or whatever. And it doesn't mean that it was wrong. It was part of a creative process at the time, and it may happen another time. So, you know, actually you can build up a bank of these experiences, and it all sort of adds to, I guess, the ultimate success, really. So whatever that is, right? But, you know the overall [00:32:58.040] well-being of something.
[00:33:00.590] - Ursula
Um, that's very wise, actually. I like that idea of you can try these things, they may not go anywhere right now, but that doesn't mean they're wasted. Almost they're still part of the process. So yeah. So somebody listening or watching, is feeling stuck, and they feel like that there's something in them that they feel needs to change, but they've no idea where to go or what they're going to do. You know, what would you want them to know from, you know, having been on the journey you've been on?
[00:33:34.350] - Jac Godfrey
I would want them to know that all of us have this life energy within us, and that is we needn't be limited by what others think of us or think we should be, whether that's a profession, a boss, anyone. And that this is the gift that enables us to have actually many, many possibilities, and therefore there are always options. Sometimes you need stepping stones, you know, like I stayed in my profession for, you know, 7 years or 8 years before sort of jumping off the end of the pier, but there are there is always something, there is always an option. [00:34:35.430] So don't, don't lose heart. And also to, to seek out, uh, help and support, because I, I wouldn't have done it without that. And it doesn't have to be a counsellor, it could be, you know, lovely coach like Ursula, um, you know, friendship groups or Facebook groups or circles, you know, or even reach out to someone who's, you know, in who's done what you want to do. If you're lucky enough to see someone like that, you know, you know, if somebody contacted me about what I've done, I, you know, I'd be open to share with them, you know, just a conversation.
[00:35:23.560] - Jac Godfrey
And I'm sure many people would, you know. Mm, wonderful.
[00:35:29.000] - Ursula
Yeah, good, good, um, good inspiration there. Yeah. And, um, you know, just to close the conversation before I ask you this final question, is there anything that you wanted to share? Is there anything that you felt that you might talk about today that we haven't covered for whatever reason that you feel is important to add to the, to the story?
[00:35:53.430] - Jac Godfrey
Um, well, not, not particularly. I think a lot of your listeners are, you know, a very intelligent, wonderful set of people. Um, and I think that any, any big change you know, you don't need me to tell you this, but it's just to, you know, have, have an idea as to, I guess, how you are, you know, how you support yourself, etc. You know, and that's, that's part of the process, isn't it? So I know that since I became a yoga teacher, there were hardly any yoga teachers around at the time. It was very easy to, um, you know, be heard and find clients. It's very different now. I don't know what the multiplier would [00:36:53.540] be. I dread to think how many, uh, yoga teachers there are by comparison. So it's just - and of course not every profession is yoga, so it's going to be - it's going to be different depending on what, what you're seeking to do. But, um, it's just like, yeah, that, that's all Does that make any sense?
[00:37:14.810] - Ursula
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Thank you. So then it just remains really for me to ask you - thinking back to the you back then, before you made these big changes - what would the you, all those years ago have liked to have heard from the future you? What would you have said to yourself all those years ago that, that might have helped?
[00:37:46.940] - Jac Godfrey
Well, she probably wouldn't have believed it, but, um, just, um, it's going to be okay. In fact, it's going to be brilliant. Okay, that's all.
[00:38:02.190] - Ursula
Okay, it's gonna be okay, and it's gonna be is going to be brilliant. How amazing. Yeah, yeah. So, no, do you have any regrets about the shift that you've made? Or, you know, it sounds to me like you haven't, but no regrets.
[00:38:19.840] - Jac Godfrey
I still keep in touch with the people, um, in the legal profession, and, uh, yeah, very fond memories of, of it, but no regrets.
[00:38:31.000] - Ursula
Wonderful. Well, Jac, thank you so much for talking to me today about your story and sharing your wisdom and insights along the way. Yeah, thank you for coming on The Big Life Pivot.
[00:38:46.960] - Jac Godfrey
It's my absolute pleasure, Ursula, and it's wonderful to see you. Thank you.
[00:38:54.990] - Ursula
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